[kshet26]

In the other thread about stepping up our training game, someone posted a link to an article about Koreans and archery. I found this quote interesting:

"She said that South Korean coaches do a better job than their counterparts in other countries at finding the right training methods and motions for each archer based on their physical traits and shooting style."

 

[limbwalker]

I read that too, and immediately thought about all the conversation we've heard about BEST/NTS being adapted to the individual - here and elsewhere. Hard to know what to make of it though.

 

[StarDog]

I read that too, and immediately thought about all the conversation we've heard about BEST/NTS being adapted to the individual - here and elsewhere. Hard to know what to make of it though.

Depends on the coach( NTS level 4). I shoot with a woman who shot collegiate back in the Pleistocene and our coach would in no way mess that THAT as my compadre is a bearcat to beat (although I do it from time to time).

As a general ruleour coach doesn't advocate the away from the face pull in thing. If you're doing it right at "set up" and "draw to load" your string hand would be mostly right there to come up under the chin to anchor.

Or something like that.

There is something about this candy cane thing that can result in a scrunched up bow shoulder. Perhaps it is the exaggerated "do this, do that, turn around jump down" etc gyrations. In other words the "opening the bow", set up if not done "correctly" has the bow shoulder popping up. Yet one more thing to fix.

My draw length increased as well but it had SQUAT to do with. It had to do with understanding the muscles used for an efficient draw.

Had to do with practice, and working out with a stretch band and, kettle bell and TRX and strengthening the appropriate muscles groups to do this thing and get better.

Any method where you understand what is the most efficient use of yourself will work. It's not limited to NTS. That's not a "silver bullet".

 

[limbwalker]

The so-called "candy cane" is nothing more than the stabilizer following the line of the arrow/forearm through the draw cycle, as it's been taught. I've seen some tiny "candy canes" like Brady's, and some enormous "candy canes" like the ones several JOAD archers were creating in Ohio a few years ago, that nearly got them kicked out of the tournament once people started to complain to the judges.

 

[Georgemay]

It is indeed part of NTS and it works like this. At Setup, your fingers are on the string, arms raised, and arrow pointing at the target. You then draw (Load) by moving your elbow (rotating the shoulder), leaving your biceps and forearm muscles loose and unengaged.

The easiest way to try to understand angular draw is to hook up formaster, and draw straight, all the way to anchor without help of fingers.

 

[BigPapi]

The so-called "candy cane" is nothing more than the stabilizer following the line of the arrow/forearm through the draw cycle, as it's been taught. I've seen some tiny "candy canes" like Brady's, and some enormous "candy canes" like the ones several JOAD archers were creating in Ohio a few years ago, that nearly got them kicked out of the tournament once people started to complain to the judges.

Not necessarily. Are you thinking more about the swing of the stabilizer from left to right (or right to left for a LH)? The candy cane should be caused more from the bow arm being lifted open to the target and coming down at an angle as coiling happens and the shoulders align. You could theoretically have the candy cane look in the bow arm and be out of arrow line alignment. I definitely agree it can be way too big though, which is where you see kids or adults have potential for issues.

 

[Nick728]

That has always been a component of Lee's NTS system. His draw is angular instead of linear.



Chris

Being new to Olympic recurve finding what good, better or best is ongoing. The best compound shooters in my area use an angular draw. Having tried it with compounds I began using it with the recurve. What I found is that it works better for me. It's easier on my muscles and loads the draw more consistently. More importantly the difference is very noticeable in my groups.
My own angular draw isn't exaggerated and always in a straight line with my bow arm which goes from slightly elevated left of target to dead on aiming point with far less likelihood of head movement.
There is slight turning of the upper body with far less stress on the arm and shoulder. <Old shoulder and bad neck> This angular draw also allows me to "feel" my back muscles working to load better than when using a linear draw. It also allows my anchor to be in place consistently. <A corrected flaw>
Whether considered right or wrong the benefit, for me, is measurable based on result.

 

[Vittorio]

I'm looking for the book "Power Archery" by David J Keaggy, 1968... When I started in 1973, many were referring to Power Archery for the shooting sequence and the way to come out from cliker. In my memory, some part of that tecnique was quite similar to some of the "new" ones. If i well remeber, it was based on an open traction and a simemtric compression of the back , but frankly I need that book to check. From Google I can see that some libraries still have it in USA,or may be one of the "less young" on this forum may have it...

 

[Seattlepop]

I'm looking for the book "Power Archery" by David J Keaggy, 1968... When I started in 1973, many were referring to Power Archery for the shooting sequence and the way to come out from cliker. In my memory, some part of that tecnique was quite similar to some of the "new" ones. If i well remeber, it was based on an open traction and a simemtric compression of the back , but frankly I need that book to check. From Google I can see that some libraries still have it in USA,or may be one of the "less young" on this forum may have it...

Amazon shows it available: https://www.amazon.com/Power-archery-David-J-Keaggy/dp/B0007EPDN8

 

[TheAncientOne]

If you start out from set position with your string arm by your waist as you raise your bow your string hand is moved away from your body by virtue of the fact that your upper arm is at a right angle(or so) to your body. If you set up properly your string hand is in front of your face and out from your body. If you are drawing properly your string hand travels in a STRAIGHT LINE to your loading position under your chin and then slightly raised to anchor. Your elbow moves in a circular motion around your shoulder joint. That's the angular part. If you watch someone who taught himself out of the book or who was coached by someone who learned out of the book you will see their string hand move away from the body and then curve in to anchor. That is not an angular draw, that is a misunderstanding of what was described. You cannot get a good feel for it by watching videos or looking at pictures in a book.

Archery is about getting to holding. How you get there is about how your body is constructed and what coaching religion you worship. I sometimes work with a 3 time Olympic archer who was taught to raise her bow so high that she needs to move her elbow down to draw properly. Some "Elite Coach" tried to "correct her style" by converting her to NTS. Totally messed up her shot sequence. Is she ever going to embrace NTS? No! Can I make simple changes to her movement to correct some motion flaws? Yes. After a few sessions she shot her best scores this season. Why? Because I didn't try to change the way she learned 30 years ago, made her movements more efficient and reminded her what holding properly feels like.

 

[wiatrog]

Here are the libraries where one can find find Power Archery:

https://www.worldcat.org/title/power-archery/oclc/3681786&referer=brief_results

None near me, unfortunately...

 

[j.conner]

Spot-on, Ancient One! Although many exaggerate the movement, the key is rotation of the shoulder with no involvement of the wrist or elbow. At set up, just move the tip of the elbow back to load, as opposed to muscling the string to follow a specific path. I also agree that, as a coach or instructor, it is a tool in your toolbox to help your archers, not necessarily gospel for everyone.

 

[jhinaz]

I'm looking for the book "Power Archery" by David J Keaggy, 1968... ..

Vittorio, PM sent. - John